Artem Berman: Hi there.

Daria Sukach: Hello.

Artem Berman: Let us start. So, the initial idea of this interview is the part of scientific work. I am doing my Ph.D., and, basically, the thesis of Ph.D. is the employment situation of people with disabilities in the contemporary economy. So, we are living in the economy of knowledge and more and more depends on the technology, kind of knowledge of the person and less depends on the physical condition of the participants of the labor market. And, for the first sight, the situation seems to be very favorable for the disabled population exactly because of that, there are so many opportunities etc., etc.

Daria Sukach: Okay.

Artem Berman: But then, again, some people are opting to work, and some people are opting not to work. That is what this interview is gonna be about. Of course, I will ask your permission to use this interview for scientific purposes and publication. Now…

Daria Sukach: Sure, I agree. Actually, it goes without saying since I’ve agreed to talk with you tonight. I don’t mind. As long as it doesn’t concern my bank account details etc.

Artem Berman: No, absolutely, absolutely. We can actually start the interview. And you will be in power. You can always say…

Daria Sukach: Sure.

Artem Berman: This one …

Daria Sukach: Yes. Sure. Sure.

Artem Berman: I don’t want to answer.

Daria Sukach: Yes. Sure. Sure.

Artem Berman: This one it’s difficult for me etc. So we have three types of the questionnaire. The one questionnaire is “I never worked”. The other questionnaire is “I worked before but I don’t work right now. Maybe, I will work in the future, maybe not.” And the third one “I am currently employed.” Self-employed or whatever employment, but I am currently employed.

Daria Sukach: Yeah. I am not sure if I can say that I am currently employed because I’m not officially employed. I can describe it as a freelance position. I have been an online tutor of English for 2 years.

Artem Berman: Yes.

Daria Sukach: So, that’s how I can describe it in a short way. You’re free to ask me for details.

Artem Berman: I think we can consider that you are presently employed. Because employment doesn’t mean necessarily that you are working in the office. Right. You can…

Daria Sukach: I am my own boss. Nobody tells me what to do.

Artem Berman: Exactly.

Daria Sukach: I have my “own” company.

Artem Berman: That’s it. And if you are a kind of busy with your business daily.

Daria Sukach: Yeah, every day.

Artem Berman: Most certainly, we can say you are busy, you are employed, and you are working. I mean, it would be unfair to consider you are not working.

Daria Sukach: Yeah, sure! I do work.

Artem Berman: So, let’s just start. First 6 questions will be very easy and very fast. Again, whatever moment you will feel like switching the language to give more details or something, just go ahead, I mean a combination – Russian, Ukrainian, whatever.

Daria Sukach: Sure. Oh, Chinese too?

Artem Berman: Chinese –no. Spanish, English, Ukrainian or Russian…

Daria Sukach: Sorry, I can only say a few words in Spanish. Shame on me!

Artem Berman: No problem, no problem. We are limited in three languages. That’s a lot. That’s a lot, anyway. Right? So, question number one, “Are you allowing to use your interview for the scientific research work?”

Daria Sukach: Yes, sure, I do.

Artem Berman: The second question, “Are you allowing to publish your interview on the website or in the book later on?”

Daria Sukach: Why not? Yes, of course, I do.

Artem Berman: Question number three, “Would you like your real name or some kind of pseudonym to be used?”

Daria Sukach: I don’t want to hide my real name.

Artem Berman: Perfect. Then, again, if you change your mind later on, I mean, after our conversation I will send you the recording because I am recording the conversation. And then when it will be converted into a transcript I will send you written material. So, any time you can change something, add something, fix something.  Just keep that in mind. Question number 4, “Your name.”

Daria Sukach: My name is Daria Sukach.

Artem Berman: Question number 5, “Your contact information” – e-mail, phone number. You can write it later on in Skype, whatever.

Daria Sukach: Okay.

Artem Berman: Question number 6, “How old are you?”

Daria Sukach: I am 31.

Artem Berman: Question number 7, “Gender.” Female – I should guess.

Daria Sukach: Female. I mean nothing interesting. I am not a transgender person or so.

Artem Berman: Yeah. Question number 8. Again, you are saying whatever you are feeling comfortable to share, “Are you living independently or you are living with your parents, with other relatives, with a partner, with husband?”

Daria Sukach: Yeah, I live with my parents and my 4 cats.

Artem Berman: With parents. Okay, cool.

Daria Sukach: Yes.

Artem Berman: And your 4 cats, right?

Daria Sukach: Yeah, yeah.

Artem Berman: I have one but big but dark but dog but nevertheless…Cool.

Daria Sukach: You know, actually, I used to have 6 cats but now only 4.

Artem Berman: Yeah but it’s still a lot. I can imagine.

Daria Sukach: Oh, you know, after 2 cats it’s never a lot. I wish I had more.

Artem Berman: Yeah. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Well, question number 9, “What kind of disability do you have?” Please, provide any information you are comfortable giving – what happened, at what age and how did it affect your life in all the dimensions like social life, family life, personal life, educational life, professional life etc. If we are talking about an accident or it’s some kind of disability or illness? Whatever information you feel comfortable sharing.

Daria Sukach: I am an open-minded person and there is nothing wrong about this kind of questions. I was born with a rare genetic disorder. The American society considers it a condition. It’s called AMC for short.

Artem Berman: Yes.

Daria Sukach:   Arthrogryposis is a full name of my condition. It pretty much affects my life. I am a wheelchair user. I can’t walk because my 4 limbs, as well as all my joints, are affected. So, I am limited in movements which basically means I can’t unbend my knees and elbows, stand straight or walk, my hands and even my fingers are very stiff.

Artem Berman: Yes.

Daria Sukach: However, I have somehow learned to operate my own body. I can do most things easily. For example, I look after myself and need just a little support with washing or doing my hair. I can say I am quite independent. The disability prevented me from attending school, so I was homeschooled. Later I did manage to become a part-time university student.

Artem Berman: Yes.

Daria Sukach: I used to go to the university every Saturday. My mum was literally my “lift” since there was no accessibility. My mum carried me in her arms to the sixth floor where my faculty was located. So that’s how I graduated from the university. My 5 years of studies resulted in the Master’s degree. I didn’t make an excuse of my disability on the way to my dream. I was eager to become a professional, a part of the society, and an independent person I could respect.

Artem Berman: Yeah, it says a lot. Really, I mean, first of all, yeah, I can imagine the difficulties. I, actually, broke my neck at the age of 16, and you, probably, can imagine the consequences pretty much the same, right? So, but, nevertheless, yeah, what you say this effectively answer several more questions I had in my list.

Daria Sukach: Really? Well, don’t hesitate to ask more questions! I perhaps can edit something.

Artem Berman: Yeah. Again, again, again. What I am doing is qualitative research, which means the more information you can share and the more details you can share the better it will be. Because anything, your particular word can trigger some important information and can lead to some important consequences.

Daria Sukach: Yeah.

Artem Berman: Right. For instance, you told your mum was participating in your social rehabilitation. And it means automatically that, basically, you had a support of your family etc. So, even though, you can go kind of ahead of me and ask questions, it’s not a problem absolutely. I will just postpone some questions or later on, you will provide some more information. And now we are at the question number 10. And all together we have like 21. So, we are moving real good, and, basically, the question number 10, “How did your social rehabilitation start? What was the process of returning, entering the society? Who or what did help? What were the obstacles?” So, in part, you have already answered the question, right?

Daria Sukach: Yeah, I’ve partly answered it. I had a lot of obstacles but most of them were physical challenges. The university wasn’t in any way wheelchair-friendly. What’s more, I felt terribly stressed every time I went to the university. I was constantly afraid of falling down from my mother’s hands or, you know, injuring my mum or myself. There were so many fears in my head! I often imagined myself climbing a mountain! On the other hand, I was a happy student, free of any discrimination or emotional discomfort. All my group mates were extremely friendly, understanding and helpful.   There wasn’t a single day when I’d feel lost or an outsider. I can perhaps call it the best social rehabilitation. I missed this experience as a schoolgirl, so I was excited to feel myself a part of the team. I made many friends there! They always gave me a hand with many things like carrying books, calling my mom, or even moving me to the other classroom if my mom happened to be away. I did feel uneasy to be in my inmate’s arms from time to time! It was still really kind of them to help me, though. They never treated me differently. I keep in touch with many of my university mates.

Artem Berman: Yes.

Daria Sukach: Yeah, I really appreciate my inmates’ support and the time we spent together.

Artem Berman: So, question number 11, “Your education.” Please, provide whatever information you think would be applicable. It can be a small narrative. So, “Did you have the education before your accident if there was an accident? In your case…

Daria Sukach: My disability has nothing to do with an accident since I was born with it. Speaking of education – yeah, I did have some.

Artem Berman: Kindergarten.

Daria Sukach: No, no kindergarten, by the way. I have never attended any kindergarten. I have never attended a real school. However, schoolteachers came to me. I had a homeschool education. After finishing school, I entered the Classical Private University of Zaporizhzhya. I obtained the Master’s degree in translation and teaching there in 2010. First, I wanted to develop my translation career. It was my big dream. Now I am mostly a tutor. I enjoy combining translation and teaching.

Artem Berman: Yeah. It’s perfect. Next question would be the stupid question because we already know the answer, but nevertheless, “Whether you were obtaining any education after your accident or injury?” Yes, you did, of course.

Daria Sukach: Yeah.

Artem Berman: Because it was your born condition.

Daria Sukach: Yeah.

Artem Berman: So, we know that. “Why did you decide to pursue this specialization?” Why translation? Why not, I don’t know, historian or whatever?

Daria Sukach: I used to dream of becoming a journalist. I really enjoyed writing in my school years. However, my life turned out to be an exciting fairy tale! I miraculously became a participant of the Peace Corps program. My family hosted an American volunteer who came to our school to teach children English. This was my first ever-American friend and a native speaker of English! We became both –friends and family!

Artem Berman: In American English there is the phrase “We enjoy the luxury of being able”, right?

Daria Sukach: Exactly! I was almost eighteen back then. I was in my final school year, trying to figure out what I’d do after school. I didn’t really speak any English. I could say just basic phrases. My first English teacher was actually a teacher of history. I had only 15 minutes of English a week

Artem Berman: From what I hear right now? It’s very hard to believe because your pronunciation is really perfect. Trust me.

Daria Sukach: Oh, no. It’s far away from it but thank you so much.

Artem Berman: It is. But okay. Let’s go. Time from time, I am running interviews and hiring the salespeople. So, trust me, your English is just, just, I don’t know, extraordinary.

Daria Sukach: You are so sweet.

Artem Berman: But, well, let’s keep going.

Daria Sukach: It’s of course, very uplifting to hear that. Well, I am supposed to speak well. I always say “I don’t know English. I am always learning. I am always improving.” Well, I should better be back with my story.

Artem Berman: Well…

Daria Sukach: I had no idea about my future until the phone call from my headmistress. She asked me a very important question, “Hey, Daria! Have you decided where are you going after school? Let me read out the list of possible professions for you.” She mentioned there was a chance to study psychology free but I could hardly imagine myself there. Suddenly she read “English translation” and I felt a lightning in my heart! I remember I said “I’m going to study translation. I love it“. I had been regularly talking with my American friend for almost a year and I truly enjoyed translating all these words in my head. I realized how great it feels like to help people understand each other. I was already a translator for my American friend and my parents. I was very determined and luckily did not have to pay for my education! One of our local deputies paid for my studies. There was one very strict condition though – I had to study perfectly with straight A’s!

Artem Berman: Yeah.

Daria Sukach: I mean, I had to be the best.

Artem Berman: Yup.

Daria Sukach: So, it was sometimes rather stressful. I never missed my classes even if I’d have a fever. Yeah, I didn’t care because what I knew was ‘I had to study, I had to be perfect.’ Now I sometimes regret I was so crazy then but I’m happy I managed it!

Artem Berman: Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. “What influenced the choice of a college or university?” I mean, what was

Daria Sukach: It was not only my decision. My school headmistress helped me to choose the university and enter it. It was a private university where I didn’t have to take any additional examinations.

Artem Berman: Yup.

Daria Sukach: The University only needed my school report with good marks in such subjects as English, Ukrainian, History.

Artem Berman: Humanitarian, right?

Daria Sukach: Yeah. First six months of my studies were free of any fee and exams. I had my chance to prove I belonged there. All the professors were very sweet and opened to me. They always challenged and encouraged me to do many interesting projects. The only negative thing was a zero accessibility.

Artem Berman: Yeah. I mean…

Daria Sukach: I didn’t have any choice.

Artem Berman: It’s Ukraine, anyway, right?

Daria Sukach: Alas! I somehow hoped to see any improvements over the years but nothing has changed since I graduated from the university.

Artem Berman: I mean…

Daria Sukach: I hoped I would be a motivation for positive changes and inspire new students with disabilities to make a difference. Now I understand it is too hard – both physically and emotionally to be a student in a place where you can barely move or use the restroom.

Artem Berman: Yeah. I can imagine. I mean, unfortunately, especially in the country which is at war and in the country with such a level of corruption, you know, the problems of people with special needs are far away from the priority of the people in power. But that’s for another story. But just for a record, “What was the name or what is the name of the university?”

Daria Sukach: “The Classic Private University”.

Artem Berman: Got it. Got it. Got it. And “What influenced the choice of the degree and what degree you hold presently?” Master of philology, right?

Daria Sukach: Master of translation. I haven’t become a philologist or a linguist. I am just a poor translator! I had a choice to become a philologist though, but I ignored it. I put 100% of my heart and soul into translation.

Artem Berman: Got it. And just for knowing, “Why did you start this ? Why did you decide to be a master?”

Daria Sukach: Master’s degree seemed much more attractive to me. I hoped it’d fill me with a great deal of knowledge. Truly speaking I was slightly disappointed. I didn’t learn anything new. I spent too much time on paperwork, like writing my thesis and copying boring lectures. Well, I got some interesting experience there. As a part of my practice, I used to be a university teacher for first-year students. I was thrilled and proud of it!

Artem Berman: Yeah.

Daria Sukach: I hated the idea of becoming a teacher. Teaching seemed to be the last thing I’d do. Later I absolutely changed my mind. Now I’m in love with my job. It’s really cool to open the language for somebody! It feels like helping someone discover a new planet!

Artem Berman: Got it. Got it. So, question number twelve. Well, again, since you are self-employed, probably, it is irrelevant, but nevertheless, the question is “Are you receiving the support, some special treatment related to your disability from the organization where you are employed? If yes, what kind of support?” So, probably, you are self-employed. So, did you do any kind of special arrangement for yourself at your home like, I don’t know…

Daria Sukach: If you knew how lazy I am! I hardly do any exercises. I, of course, try to do some basic exercises but very seldom. There are no special rehabilitation plans for my rare condition in Ukraine. I could undergo many surgeries, which anyway wouldn’t really guarantee me anything. Arthrogryposis is luckily not progressive. It means it doesn’t get worse with time.

Artem Berman: But then, again, “Do you have any kind of special arrangements in your home? Special…”

Daria Sukach: Yeah, a power wheelchair. It’s the greatest gift from the government I have ever received. I used a stroller for 25 years of my life before I got a real wheelchair. I am so blessed with this! The wheelchair has really expanded my freedom.

Artem Berman: Yeah. Got it. Got it. Question number 13. Again, since you are self-promoted, maybe, it’s not that much of a relevance but nevertheless, “Have you ever been promoted? Do you see the career path and do you perceive yourself as a candidate for promotion? Why if yes and why if no?”

Daria Sukach: I used to be a translator and a web administrator for a local charity foundation called “Happy child” in Zaporizhzhia. I was a distant website editor, publisher, translator, and moderator. I worked there for about 5 years. I regularly published articles and an English, German and Russian versions of the website. I am grateful to my ex-boss who was very patient with me even though I had no idea about PHP. I had to learn so many new things I never learned at the university! I was keen on continuing my career there but life changed again. One day I didn’t feel like doing the same thing over and over for years.

Artem Berman: So, you are a little bit of a programmer, right?

Daria Sukach: Just a little bit. I was a very funny programmer. My ignorance often shocked my boss! I had no idea how everything was actually called. I knew it visually and managed everything without any theoretical knowledge.

Artem Berman: Got it. Got it.

Daria Sukach: You know it was very funny…

Artem Berman: But then, again, that’s how kids are approaching the things. They hardly know the actual scientific terms. They just learn this stuff, right?

Daria Sukach: Yeah, exactly. I’m happy to have had this experience. I love learning something new. I still assist the Happy Child with translations.

Artem Berman: Got it. Got it. So, the question number 14, “What are the main challenges of your work related to your disability? And, probably, you were saying that we are talking less about psychological stuff and more about physiological…

Daria Sukach: Yeah, of course, more physiological. I can’t imagine becoming a face-to-face teacher. I feel comfortable in my virtual class.

Artem Berman: I got it.

Daria Sukach: It feels much easier to be behind the screen. I use video, so most of my students know how I look like. 99% of them know about my disability. I am not a tall girl with short hands and strangely shaped fingers. I am not hiding my disability. No way. My recent surgeries made me more dependent on comfort. I feel like…

Artem Berman: Protected.

Daria Sukach: Well, sort of. I feel I can control everything.

Artem Berman: Yeah, you are within your own zone of control, and…

Daria Sukach: I used to dream of working in a real office and being a part of a team. Right now I hate to think about it. I am not ready – physically or emotionally.

Artem Berman: I have a good piece of advice. Open your YouTube channel. That will get you out of your zone of control…

Daria Sukach: Actually, I think about it from time to time. I tried it 4 years ago. I had an idea of developing Ukrainian lessons for foreigners online. I even started my very simple YouTube channel. However, I was suddenly diagnosed with colon cancer. I had to start my battle for life. I went through treatments, two surgeries, chemo, and radiation therapy. I was still trying to work but it was too complicated to keep up with all my activities. I made videos about my cancer treatments and shared them with the world. Now when I’m finally in remission I’m again thinking of opening my teaching channel. I am saving money to buy a better equipment like a good camera now.

Artem Berman: Yes.

Daria Sukach: I don’t mean any super professional videos. I want them to be as simple as possible but with some quality.

Artem Berman: Yup. Yup. Yup. It all makes a lot of sense. Yeah, but okay, let’s get going. So, probably, one of the main questions of the whole interview, right, 15, “What were the main reasons to start working and to keep working? Why you actually decided to start working and to keep working?”

Daria Sukach: There is more than just one reason. First, I never wanted to be a burden. I hated to imagine myself to be useless. I didn’t plan to live my life doing anything. Education was always a symbol of freedom to me. I never expected anyone to do something for me or turn my life into a paradise. I am still single and I don’t want to be a prisoner of someone’s care. I want to be independent.

Artem Berman: I got it, I got it.

Daria Sukach: English has literally become everything to me. English has brought me a lot of interesting people from all over the world. It has also saved my life. So many people supported me when I was fighting cancer. Now I dream of traveling. I have not really traveled abroad but I am really really thinking about it. I believe I will do it very soon. I want to get out of my isolation.

Artem Berman: Yeah, it’s like your own way towards the perfection and towards the freedom. I can understand. I mean, it’s great, you found your own way to, you know, escape from the limitations. But, actually, there are no limits…

Daria Sukach: What a great phrase – “escape your limitations”! That’s exactly how I feel!

Artem Berman: Yeah. And the question number 15, which is closely related to the previous one, “Can you imagine yourself leaving the job? And what will be the consequences?” Can you imagine yourself stopping working in all together? And what will be the consequences?

Daria Sukach: I could only imagine myself leaving the job in two situations. First – if I die. But I hope my time has not come yet. Second – if I can do something else. For example, learn to play a musical instrument or become a TV moderator. As long as I am Daria, have my sense of humor and can wipe my butt – I will work.

Artem Berman: And the consequences, we shouldn’t be thinking about them, because at the first place you wouldn’t be imagining yourself leaving the job, right?

Daria Sukach: Yeah, sure. Probably, I could become a writer. Or, for example, I could run a radio, because I used to be a volunteer there. Any hobby can become a real job! Why not?

Artem Berman: So, basically, we are talking about changing the activity or area, but still working.

Daria Sukach: Sure! I mean, I don’t understand people with disabilities, who have a chance to work but never use it. I don’t understand how somebody can just live doing nothing.

Artem Berman: So, well, yeah, question number 17, and you already provided the answer several times, but nevertheless, “Is it your first employment and why you leave your previous jobs if it is not your first employment?” Probably, you answered this in details previously.

Daria Sukach: Yeah, I have answered about my foundation activity.

Artem Berman: Yup. Yup.

Daria Sukach: The reason why I quit that position was my cancer treatment.

Artem Berman: I got it. So, the question number 18, “What does your family think about your job?” I would say what does your family think about your trying to be active in the life, that you are working? What does your family think about that? Do you receive the support from them? Do they understand your motivation and desire to be independent? What kind of attitude are you getting from your loved ones?

Daria Sukach: My family has been always super supportive. They never doubted my needs to study and work. Well, I sometimes work too much like 7-8 hours in front of the computer and my mom often says: “Make a break!” I usually ask her back: “Okay, what shall I do now then? Look at the ceiling?” Well, my mum understands me. My mum and dad are very proud of me. I am often the only bread-earner in my family. My dad is often jobless. Last winter he had a surgery. My mum is my secretary. She makes my life really comfortable. My activities are not only about money but about something I really enjoy doing.

Artem Berman: Part of your personality.

Daria Sukach: My life, which brings me a lot. Some emotional benefits, not only, you know, financial.

Artem Berman: That’s understandable and that’s cool. Now the question number 19, and we’ve got only several more, and thanks for your time. I appreciate it pretty much. “Is your job related to your education?”

Daria Sukach: Yeah, 100% .

Artem Berman: Yeah.

Daria Sukach:   Yeah, absolutely!

Artem Berman: Cool. Does your high education result in more opportunities in your job and in your life?

Daria Sukach: My diploma is hanging on my wall. It’s nice and shining but so far nobody has really asked about it. I am open to opportunities, I am open to changes, I am open to all kinds of, I don’t know, alternatives.

Artem Berman: Got it. And how do you maintain your actual state in your area of expertise, in your profession? Like self-education, I don’t know, courses etc., etc.

Daria Sukach: Yeah, I frequently attend some online webinars. Sometimes I take part in some teacher’s courses online. I like to discuss different issues which are important for me and teachers from all over the world. I try to improve my vocabularies and pronunciation. I try to communicate with native speakers as often as possible. I try to read more. I never miss a chance to master something new. I am very determined to continue my self-development. I want to be interested in what I’m doing. I should follow the changes. Languages are always changing!

Artem Berman: Right. Living and breathing mechanism.

Daria Sukach: I’m trying to teach myself and my students also teach me a lot. They always give me a lot of ideas!

Artem Berman: Cool, cool, thank you. And the question number 20. It’s about the numbers, so you can just skip it all together or you can answer something like “it is a significant” or “it is an irrelevant portion”. Whatever. The question number 20, “Do you receive any financial help from the state?”

Daria Sukach: Yes, sure, I do. It is like some social help because there are two kinds of help or support in Ukraine.

Artem Berman: Yup.

Daria Sukach: First, is pension and second is something like social help. I’ve chosen to receive some social benefit, which is not so much, of course, but, yes, I am glad to have this bonus!

Artem Berman: Okay, so, the question, “What percentage of your total income count for the salary? And what percentage count from the pension?” I mean, you can say like “mostly I depend on salary”. I don’t need exact numbers. Just so I have a basic understanding, you know.

Daria Sukach: Yeah. I think I can’t really rely on my pension. I mostly depend on my salary, on my personal income rather than the help from my government.

Artem Berman: Yeah.

Daria Sukach: The benefit money helps to exist but not to live, alas.

Artem Berman: I would say, I would say the pension they pay in Ukraine is rather…

Daria Sukach: It’s funny.

Artem Berman: It’s funny, right. It’s like 70 bucks per month. I mean, …

Daria Sukach: It’s very low, you know.

Artem Berman: Got it, “Are you satisfied with your income level?”

Daria Sukach: I will sound greedy or pessimistic, but not really. I have an impression that the more money I make the more needs I have.

Artem Berman: The pyramid of the needs of Maslow.

Daria Sukach: Yeah. However, my current life is much better than let’s say two years ago.

Artem Berman: Great.

Daria Sukach: I’d say I am quite satisfied. Of course, I’m aiming at finding out the way of working a little bit less and earning at least the same or a bit more. It’s not because I am lazy or I want to get money out of nothing. I would like to increase my professionalism. It has always been my great ambition to learn Spanish. I used to learn this beautiful language at the university and still remember some expressions (saying some Spanish words).

Artem Berman: [Small Spanish narrative]

Daria Sukach: Oh, so sweet. So lovely!

Artem Berman:  Well, yeah. Thanks. And, finally, we are reaching the last question. But it’s the most tricky one. It has several sections where I will be saying two words and then three points and you are supposed to continue the phrase. “I’m…”

Daria Sukach: Okay, I’m a hopeless dreamer.

Artem Berman: Yeah, cool. “Before the illness I was…” But you were child.

Daria Sukach: I think I was a very happy child.

Artem Berman: Happy child. Then, “I’m able to…”

Daria Sukach: Yes, I’m able to dream about impossible.

Artem Berman: That’s great. “I will be….”

Daria Sukach: Let me dream here. I will be a great traveler.

Artem Berman: Great, and, “I fear being …”

Daria Sukach: I fear being helpless.

Artem Berman: And the last one, “I want…”

Daria Sukach: Yeah. Yes, I want to be free. I know, it sounds pathetic, but yeah, I want to be free.

Artem Berman: Cool. I mean, at this point, we have reached the end of the interview. Thank you very much.

Daria Sukach: Oh, wow, really. Thank you for this interesting conversation!

Artem Berman: Bye.

Daria Sukach: Bye.